Picking Apart Joyce Meyers Thoughts on Tattoos…
By Christian Author Elena Ramirez
Joyce Meyer, is a prominent leader, in the world. Concerning matters of religion. As a Christian, that she claims to be, I find her thoughts, very disturbing.
I was once one of those who looked to her, as inspiration, because she found Christ. But if she found Him, her thoughts, show, she departed from Him. They show she has departed from His law, and they show she promotes hate, to others who do not agree with her. I base this on the following video: And if by some chance it mysteriously disappears, look it up on youtube. Joyce’s thoughts on tattoos.
I know she is well liked. I know, this may anger, or upset those that follow her, but I am to please God, not man, or any person, and so are you!
The scriptures tells us that there will be those, that are blind, and leading the blind. And this describes her exactly.
LET THEM ALONE; THEY BE BLIND LEADERS OF THE BLIND. AND IF THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND, BOTH SHALL FALL INTO THE DITCH. MATTHEW 15:14 KJV.
Joyce Meyer, starts her sermon, in this video, on the comparison between holiness, and legalism.
This is what Gods word, says about holiness. She does not use this scripture, but I will so you can see what the King James says about holiness.
“And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.”
Isaiah 35:8 KJV
Her thought, right away, attacks religious people. Because they know having a tattoo is not accepted in the scriptures. She stereo types those that want to obey God. That know truth, that see the error of doing some things. And she calls it “legalism.”
She refers to Isaiah 44:5 and makes reference that its o.k. to have a tattoo, basically because God did it. Which is wrong, the scripture does not promote marking of the skin, it talks about just writing. Subscribing.
She says that it says; That it is tattooed; “I belong to the Lord”. It does not say that. See it from a Holy King James bible. But this is what it says:
“One shall say, I am the Lord’s; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.”
Isaiah 44:5 KJV
It does not say tattoo, and she says it does. Please see this.
Again, she makes a reference, that God is promoting it, because He tattooed your name on his hand. The scripture does not say that. It says “graven” How can anybody compare how God writes?
BEHOLD I HAVE GRAVEN THEE UPON THE PALMS OF MY HANDS; THY WALLS ARE CONTINUALLY BEFORE ME. ISAIAH 49:16 KJV.
And to mock, what it says from one scripture to the next, is very dangerous. When she gives an example of God putting earrings, on one, group, but getting angry with the next. Where is the fear of God? To see, His ways are not our ways. She is judging God Himself, in His motives.
Leviticus 20:28 is a reference she gives, its not there. That scripture does not exist in my King James bible. Check. Look it up, listen to the video very carefully. Its not there as a point of reference. About making marks for the dead. That she gives.
That scripture reference is not specific to tattoos, but Leviticus 19:28 is:
“Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.”
Leviticus 19:28 KJV
A tattoo is a mark on the flesh.
I think what bothers me so very, very much, is first of all she is not using a Holy Bible. As a teacher, as a so called pastor of the word of God, her word is corrupt. And I won’t debate it, but her scripture references, are from bibles, that have been changed. Corrupted. She uses references of scripture, but they are not from the King James. As she quotes scripture. And if this does not show anybody, how wrong it is to use different bibles, then I don’t know what to say to you.
She admits, she picks what she wants, and leaves what she wants out of scripture. Listen to the video. She says it quickly but she admits she does that. And I am paraphrasing her, When she says: “we pick and choose what we want and leave out what we want.” Well she does, she leaves out truth, Gods truth.
She promotes getting a tattoo, and also promotes pushing “religious” people off the cliff. She states she is on the verge of getting a tattoo, and actually defying what Leviticus 19:28 states.
But to promote throwing people off of a cliff, and get it over with….That’s evil. That’s not love. To make religious demons mad? Who gave her that authority? It’s just wrong folks.
Does she not know her words are recorded in the book of life? It is for all of us. We will be judged.
The subliminal message, in there is to attack others, who do not think or believe like she does. And again, that is just pure evil. Christ told us, in John 13:34-35, that we would be known by the love we have for one another. This is what my King James bible says:
“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”
John 13:34-35 KJV
The whole motive of her subliminal message is to disobey God. To make herself the example to have pretty clothes, make up, and a tattoo.
In the King James scriptures it talks about vanity. And if she gets a tattoo, she is using herself for you to be disobedient in that. Because she is making herself even here in the video an example.
“And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the Lord had charged them, that they should not do like them.”
2 Kings 17:15 KJV
She talks about Laughing, well, the scripture says, it is better to be sorrowful. Then to have laughter. She talks about people and that they want to see you happy? Well, food for thought…What about what God wants? See, you need to see that, she totally disregards the incentive to try and please God. And that’s just wrong.
“Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.”
Ecclesiastes 7:3 KJV
Her whole message, really does not promote, drawing close to God. To repent. To obey God, and His laws. To see the error of ones ways. It actually is defiant. Prideful, to say one’s ways, are right, and there is a great danger to that. Because God is not mocked.
See we really cannot have joy, or peace, if we are wicked. Or more importantly as God has called us, to be in holiness. There is no holiness, without Gods law. Without obedience. Without repentance. And a changing of ways.
A true sense of soul searching, with repentance, a hunger for God, and His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, to please Him, is the only one who can do that.
To even take her thoughts to heart, is so disturbing to me, because I have learned the hard way to get right with God, one needs to take His laws to heart.
Now the concept between religion, and relationship with Christ is this. Religion is rules, regulations, traditions, made by men, and groups. But if you are being legal, which God has given us His law, to follow, that is relationship. We can only have relationship with Christ, when we repent, obey God, and pray, and seek Him in that relationship. Pleasing God. Avoiding religion, well what she promotes, is Joyce Meyers religion.
I think what also bothers me, and that’s why I am writing about it, is basically she is promoting, dismissing the law, because it makes one act in legalism. And that’s like saying, I am right, you are wrong, to God Himself, and it’s a turn off to be obedient to God.
She challenges the “law” And that’s dangerous, these are Gods laws. He is legal. And holiness cannot be obtained, unless we follow Gods laws. So again, call me legal. Because I love His law. I see that it protects me. I see, that by trying, and yes I fail, but I see, that if I attempt to obey Him, He will extend grace. But you cannot disregard the law.
The thought, many Christians have is that the law, is abolished. That we are free from the law. God did not flip flop from the Old Testament, to the New Testament. He does not change. We do. The only law we are free from, is the law of sin and death. Not Gods commandments.
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:2 KJV
There are many scriptures that attest to being legal with God. And that if we even keep Gods law, we are happy.
PROVERBS 29:18 King James
WHERE THERE IS NO VISION, THE PEOPLE PERISH: BUT HE THAT KEEPETH THE LAW, HAPPY IS HE.
You know, I want to be happy in God’s law, so call me legalistic.
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. (Psalms 40:8 KJV)
He tells us, not to forsake His law. So that means if you want to please God, you get legalistic. Because He is the example to follow.
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. (Proverbs 4:2 KJV)
The doctrine she teaches us, warns us according to King James scripture, is don’t follow people like that. I will not follow Joyce Meyers. I follow Christ. She is a terrible role model for Christ. And one should never follow a person any way.
No matter what, they propose. We are to follow Christ. This is why you need to get the truth yourself. Get a King James bible, and learn. What Gods laws are, yourself. Thats the only way you will grow.
And that is going to upset some, here, but I state it because its wrong.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. (Romans 16:17 KJV)
I don’t judge anybody that might have a tattoo, I really don’t. I have met some very nice people who have tattoos, even family members. But if we really want to please God, we know what the scripture says.
We know, if we want to clean the slate, we repent. God won’t hold it against you, if you repent. But the direction she takes in this, is very self-serving. And that comes from hell itself. The devil was always about the devil. Self.
What she proposes… is that It is not humble, it is not remorseful, to know and admit, the error of one making a mistake, in even getting a tattoo. The scriptures, when they are truth, will bring light, to help us see the error of our ways. But I see nothing like that, from her message.
And its sad. I don’t judge her, but I am called to warn, even the righteous. Who think this is right.
Its not right folks, its wrong. And if you think I am judging. Read Ezekiel 33 from a King James it says we are to warn. I am warning here. I am loving my brothers and sisters in Christ, so they know the difference. Love warns. You would too, if you saw someone near the fire. The fire of hell itself. If you knew the truth. Her thoughts are very disturbing.
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: (Proverbs 6:23 KJV
In conclusion, knowing, that the truth sets us and let the redeemed of the Lord say so. I have been redeemed, so I say so.
I may very well get challenged by some of you, who support her, love her, and you know what you need to do, is pray for her. Arguing with me, will not resolve this. I know what the Holy Scriptures says.
But I won’t debate or argue about this with anybody. I will ignore comments on this. I know that I just have to write this. My motive is to please God. And if it really helps someone to see the truth, then praise be to God. I praise God anyway…
PSALMS 107:20 KING JAMES
LET THE REDEEMED OF THE LORD SAY SO, WHOM HE HATH REDEEMED FROM THE HAND OF THE ENEMY.
JOHN 8:32 KJV.
AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE.
Just ask yourself, with what I have shared, and what you can see, from the video yourself, why would anyone promote to you, that you disobey God? Look at the fruit folks, this is how you will know them.
Matthew 7:20 WHEREFORE BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM.
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In Christ, by Elena Ramirez
WHEN PEOPLE CROSS YOUR BOUNDARIES YOU MAY NEED TO BE CRUEL TO BE KIND FOR SELF-RESPECT ~
By Christian Author….Elena Ramirez
Sometimes you have to see there are boundaries no one should ever cross in respect. And sometimes you do have to be cruel to be kind, especially when you love people. You say enough is enough.
You realize if you don’t, you will lose your own self respect. And that’s a curse, because you don’t see, you are a child of the King. Sometimes we have to realize who we are in Christ, and what Christ did for us, on that cross, cleanses us. By His grace.
We are the head, and not the tail!
AND THE LORD SHALL MAKE THEE THE HEAD, AND NOT THE TAIL: AND THOU SHALT BE ABOVE ONLY, AND THOU SHALT NOT BE BENEATH: IF THOU HEARKEN UNTO THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD THY GOD, WHICH I COMMAND THEE THIS DAY, TO OBSEVE AND TO DO THEM. DEUTERONOMY 28:13. KJV.
And nobody should ever go past the boundaries of respect. EVER!
It is sad, but sometimes, people mistake a good nature, a kindness, as weakness, and they challenge that. They cross boundaries. But it is a strength to be kind, and nice, but there are those boundaries, where you say no more.
You then become cruel to be kind. You stand up for yourself, and what is right, in the sight of God. With courage. You call it for what it is, with truth. Because the truth sets us all free.
This is how it is I believe with God. He is extending grace to all of us. But there will be a time, when hell will be paid, if we do not see His ways. And repent, because we reap what we sow. And His wrath will be revealed.
Do you see why I have fear of God? Because I do.
But, I know the difference, with people. It’s not a matter of pride, it’s a matter of dignity. And when someone realizes they crossed that boundary and is accountable they grow! Apologies. Respect go hand in hand. Gods grace is not silent.
It seems, I meet a lot of people who try to cross my boundaries, with disrespect. Well I rebuke that as well, I am breaking this cycle by sadly walking away. By being mean to be kind.
It seems people cross that boundary. In matters of my faith, in matters of friendship, in matters of privacy, and even in matters of common courtesy.
I guess, I have just come from a place, where I say enough is enough. Where I may even sound, or seem hurtful myself, and I have come out swinging. And my nature as a warrior, is contributed by that, because I did have to fight to survive. Growing up.
Yet, I cannot let someone steal my peace, so I walk away. Oh I know, I cannot cross boundaries myself, and I must maintain self-control. I must be careful not to return evil for evil. Am I perfect at this? No. Sadly but I do repent. And strive for His excellence in these matters.
And I have loved people, and sadly, many have walked away, or I walked away from them, because they showed no respect. There are personal boundaries, that I will not allow someone to cross. And the worst lately, for me, is the silent treatment.
I will not tolerate that. Because it is a sign of rejection. And a sign of disrespect. Its a form of manipulation, to punish me, when I know, I did not deserve that.
I will not tolerate, obscenities to be spoken about me, or against me. Or gestures that may not be spoken but that are the same. As an obscenity. I will not tolerate lies, as well. I know who I am, in Christ.
For me, its a matter, of maintaining my dignity, in Christ. When I know I have forgiven. Others. When I know, I do not deserve treatment like that, because I am a child of the King.
I may sound harsh. I may sound mean. But if I have to be cruel to be kind, then maybe the person, who is being used by the enemy will see their own errors. No! I will not take that.
I will speak truth, because thats the only thing that sets us free. And maybe thats why I am hated. But I would rather please my God, then people.
And I am determined to prove my trustworthiness to God. It is my goal. But I cannot do that if I myself, am in denial. And not walking in love. And not doing my part, to maintain who I am in Christ. He sees, everything, and why people don’t grasp that is beyond me.
But oh well…. I cannot be cowardly in these matters of finding my own dignity, and respect.
See we all have to grow. If we really want to have a healthy spirit, with Christ. And there are boundaries, we sometimes have to see, and say no, enough is enough.
Now if people are smart enough they will see the error of their own ways, and not cross those boundaries, but also, repent to God, and apologize to those you have taken advantage of disrespectfully.
That spirit comes from the enemy. There are clues, that indicate this:
1. A spirit of manipulation. (are you trying to make someone do something, by being manipulative? ) Thats wrong, and dishonest in the sight of God.
2. Are you being a false witness? Are you accusing someone else, because you just want to be vindictive? You need to really see the error of your own ways…..
3. Do you really forgive, or do you bring it back up? And if you do forgive, then forgive but don’t throw something back at someones face to be a false witness. Thats a lie from hell to do so. Because forgiveness is covered by the blood of Jesus.
4. Are you jealous? That spirit, leads right to the devil, for that is one of his characteristics. You have to see it.
5. Are you in denial? You cannot see your own errors, but you try to put it on someone else disrespectfully? That is wrong, in the sight of God, and you will never grow.
6. Do you have the spirit of pride? That pride will always try to puff yourself up, and you will never admit your own wrong doing, because you cannot bear to let anybody see you humble. Thats so wrong.
7. Do you walk out of love, and make it all about you. How narcissistic that is, and again, another characteristic from the devil. SELF.
Yes, walking away hurts. Especially when you love people. But I have learned, as much as I do hate confrontation, I have to confront people like that. And tell them, what bothers me, so I can get my own dignity back with respect.
And either they take it for what its worth, and see the error of their own ways. Or they do not. But I do not need friendships that are not based on any kind of mutual respect. I do not need to be anybodies punching bag.
Being cruel to be kind, does not cross lines as well. Returning evil for evil. And I know for my own part, it may seem harsh, and evil as well.
But I repent. And thats the difference, because I know, the only way God will guide me, and help me grow, is if I am in that place of humbleness. Yes we all make mistakes, but I know the key is knowing who you are in Christ. Not crossing boundaries, and yes repenting, and apologizing.
Just sharing some thoughts today on the matter. You see, I need to get healthy myself spiritually, and I need to maintain those boundaries for my own growth in Christ. Sometimes you do put up walls, so you can protect yourself. So others will not cross that boundary.
Is that being cruel to be kind? I don’t know, all I know, is when I am done. And right now, I am done. Until I see something to change my mind and heart, back to respect.
HE THAT HATH NO RULE OVER HIS OWN SPIRIT IS LIKE A CITY THAT IS BROKEN DOWN, AND WITHOUT WALLS. PROVERBS 25:28 KJV.
Love and blessings,
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HOW TO BE HAPPY WITH A VISION FROM GOD….
I want you to see yourself happy with a vision from God.
And sometimes, we just have to see what King James word says.
You know, so many teachings, have perverted what Paul said, that we are not to keep the law. That grace covers it.
And it has bothered me from time, to time, because there are so many scriptures that tell us to keep the “law.”
This particular scripture tells us if we want to be happy, we have to keep the law. Look it up, from a King James. Proverbs 29:18.
See yourself happy, as the vision. Claim it in Jesus name….
And take the commandments, to heart, try to obey them.
Repent, if you know you have not. Including just believing the lie, that we are not to keep the law.
By Elena Ramirez
I just want to decree this, I want to make it clear. As many of you know, I do want to speak publicly, in your church or congregation.
I have not done it in a while. I know, God has His reasons. But something dawned on me, just now, to speak this, to publicly proclaim it.
If I am ever called to give a testimony, or to speak publicly in a church. I will not try to sell my book there. Even today, I wrote just on impulse, Gods impulse, about how Christ turned the tables, on those who changed the temple, to sell what they had. I don’t want to be one of those Christians.
If God blesses my book, financially, in other ways, then so be it. But I will not try to peddle the word of God, or peddle my book, in His House. In His temple.
That may sound strange to some. But I don’t care. I really do only want to serve God. But if money came into the situation, somehow it would take away from the message.
I never want to compromise or let money, be the root of evil in serving God.
Does that make sense? I don’t know, but I am proclaiming it here.
To God be the glory….
By Elena Ramirez
AND THE JEWS PASSOVER WAS AT HAND, AND JESUS WENT UP TO JERUSALEM. AND FOUND IN THE TEMPLE THOSE THAT SOLD OXEN AND SHEEP AND DOVES, AND THE CHANGERS OF MONEY SITTING: AND WHEN HE HAD MADE A SCOURGE OF SMALL CORDS, HE DROVE THEM ALL OUT OF THE TEMPLE, AND THE SHEEP, AND THE OXEN; AND POURED OUT THE CHANGERS MONEY, AND OVERTHREW THE TABLES. AND SAID UNTO THEM THAT SOLD DOVES, TAKE THESE THINGS HENCE; MAKE NOT MY FATHERS HOUSE AN HOUSE OF MERCHANDISE. JOHN 2:13-16. KJV.
Let’s get something straight, right away. Prosperity, is more than having just money…..It is having a life, that is full, to the capacity, spilling over, in abundance. With peace, joy, health, no lack. There is a way to that.
So, I feel led to share these. 12 Keys to Prosperity. The Lord put them on my heart, yesterday, and I also added it on one of my pages, entitled: People have asked me....But I won’t go into that subject here, I just want to bless you. If you want to read more about that, you can go to my Blog. And read it, on the top link pages.
Anyway, maybe you do not know Christ, as Lord and savior. I will tell you this, that the foundation of these keys, are based on knowing God, because one would have a relationship with Jesus Christ. They are just basic common sense, things God has shown me. The main key, is the Bible. Thats where anyone should start. Seeking God, seeking wisdom, praying, blessing God, blessing others. Maybe right now you are struggling, in your finances. Maybe this recession, is hurting you. Did you know, in his Kingdom, the Kingdom of God, there is no lack? We have a pretty awesome God, who is a mystery in so many ways. But, the truth is, if you seek him, if you love him, if you obey him, he does some pretty awesome things for you and on your behalf. He blesses, without sorrow…..I know, he does for me many, many times. The favor of God, is a beautiful thing to have.
I think, he does a lot of the things he does, to test us. To see really where our heart is. And if you have your mind, your heart, on money, only, then your missing it. Because the love of money is the root of evil. Having money is not evil. God wants you to have, and not to be in lack. There is a misconception, that to be poor, is godly. Wrong. Not knowing, the benefits of what it can do, can mess you up. From the standard of God, I have learned, when I get blessed, it is because God wants me to bless others. So with that said, may God bless you.
But before I share these keys, if you are interested in prosperity, you need a relationship with God, so consider what I am saying, you need to make it right with him, first, before he can bless you. Truly bless you. Money alone, without God, will not bring you peace, or true joy. More then anything, a place in his Kingdom when you die. That should be top priority because death is inevitable for everyone. The Bible says, what does it gain a man, if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul. The key is, Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all things will be added. These are two scriptures, I am relating to. And I could, and usually look them up, for a person. And add them to my commentaries. But if you want to start, start by looking these scriptures up in your concordance, and do a word search, in your Bible. In fact all of these 12 Steps are based on scripture. But this is a clue, and the secret to true prosperity. If you want to really understand, you have to look them up. Thats where the blessing will come from. But you cannot copy them from this list. Keep coming back, to see your progress. And then drop me a line. I am curious, who will take this challenge. And fulfill it. My goal is to get you close to God, through the word of God. So we will see. If you will take these 12 Keys to Prosperity, to heart, by really searching to see what the word of God says. For that is where you will find your blessing…..
And, also, pray the prayer link, I have below for the Prayer of Salvation. It is just the basic prayer, to pray, when you want to start right, with God. You have to start, somewhere, to really get right with God. God does not want you to look at your problems, or money. He wants you to look to him. Maybe these 12 Keys, will bring you insight. Into God and his ways….I know there are more, so if you feel led share a comment or two. You see, I am learning just as much as you are. I just don’t want to do it my way….I want to do it Gods way. Just my thoughts….Praying for the mind of Christ, in all matters.
Blessings, and may these 12 Keys bless you.
12 Things to do, that God has taught me about Prosperity…..
1. Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, soul, and might. And love others!
2. Obey God and his commandments.
3. Tithe the ten percent, God gives you. Because that 10 percent belongs to God.
4. Plant Seeds of offerings. You will get a return harvest, especially if you plant it in good ground.
5. Be a giver, of yourself, your money, your resources.
5. Know the covenant, you have with God, established by Abraham and God. But more than anything, know the covenant, you have through Jesus Christ and God. Established for you and me.
6. Be careful about greed.
7. Work, volunteer, serve others. ( And even if you do not get paid, know God will repay you. Thats what I try to do here. By writing for you.)
8. Do not steal, do not cut corners, do not cheat, taking from someone else, when it may seem convenient!!!! That brings a curse. Always be honest! ”To beg, steal or borrow,” is not scriptural! So don’t say or do that!
9. Pray ….asking God to show you how to pray for your prosperity. And also pray for others. (Remember how Job prayed, for his friends, and God gave him double?) While your at it, pray for the peace of Jerusalem. (Psalm 122:6 God promises to prosper those who love it.) When you pray, always have a repentant, humble, forgiving others as well, heart before God.
10. Be Thankful, always, be thankful to God.
11. Don’t speak poverty, or just accept it. You have power in your tongue. Use your authority. God gives you.
12. Claim the word of God….For God has said, he would provide for your needs according to his riches. In glory by Christ Jesus. Phillippians 4:19
In his love…..
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